Article: 63732 of alt.support.depression From: "lisa in mass." Newsgroups: alt.support.depression Subject: Re: Low IQ Date: 28 Jun 2003 17:38:30 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208-59-181-122.s1138.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com (208.59.181.122) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1056821910 31541587 208.59.181.122 (16 [126968]) User-Agent: Xnews/06.02.16 X-No-Archive: yes Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!image.surnet.ru!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!208-59-181-122.s1138.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.COM!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.support.depression:63732 old coyote wrote... >> having a high iq just makes me feel like a big waste of >> potential. >> >> -lisa >> > > Absolutely. I come from a long line of chronic > underachievers, of which I seem to be the best one. Heh, > don't tell %, but I think that I just might win on this > one. > even worse, i come from a family of overachieving perfectionists, of which i'm the epitome of nonsuccess. instead of a 6-figure income, i pull a disability check. my parents keep offering me money, though my husband has an ok job. -lisa Article: 63568 of alt.support.depression Message-ID: <3EFC2E32.11E44833@mindless.com> From: Criswell The Psychic Weatherman Organization: Glorious and Grand Salt Pointers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.support.depression Subject: Re: Low IQ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 11:44:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.235.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1056714295 24.92.235.75 (Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:44:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 07:44:55 EDT Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news3.optonline.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.support.depression:63568 caulfield wrote: > I don't intend to enrage people by making any correlation between depression > and intelligence (this topic has been discussed many times before), but I speak > only about myself (each one has different type and cause for his/her > depression). > If I were smarter, I would be happier therefore less depressed. > Although my current IQ score is around 125, that doesn't mean I'm > smart... far from it: I *feel* like an idiot in various life situations. IQ is Intelligence Quotient. What we need is an SQ, a Social Quotient, since so many of us are socially inept. 100 is considered average. > Maybe > the traditional IQ test is more valuable when taken at an early age, and > there I recall from school days, that I did score pretty low! > I cannot make smart decisions, I don't know what type of action I should > undertake to optimize or even achieve a simple success; on the contrary, > whatever I say or do seem to contibute more and more to my general failure in > life. > Being dumb has made me fail my career (you need brains if you want to compete), 125 is above average, but there's the classic - "If yer so smart, why ain't you rich?" Because competition requires a certain kind of business savvy, which includes fearlessness, and lack of conscience and morals with regards to your competitors. > my love-life (intelligence is a strong attraction factor) No, it's looks first, social ability second. Fearlessness [again] and the ability to just shrug off a rejection as if it didn't exist [maybe this is more denial of the truth, or blaming the other person]. > and my social life > in general (people like to hang out with a witty person who makes them feel > good and is useful to them). And, again, that's social skills. -- "A belief is not merely an idea the mind possesses; it is an idea that possesses the mind." Robert Bolton Criswell The Psychic Weatherman ssenate@mindless.com Article: 63839 of alt.support.depression From: xsxsxs@freeuk.com (DOG) Newsgroups: alt.support.depression Subject: Re: Low IQ Date: 29 Jun 2003 10:38:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3910f684.0306290938.644685e8@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.185.49.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1056908315 919 127.0.0.1 (29 Jun 2003 17:38:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2003 17:38:35 GMT Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.support.depression:63839 > I *feel* like an idiot in various life situations. I think that single line goes right to the core of the problem. The rest is a lot of faulty propositions supporting an unsound argument that has already been so comprehensively disproved that it's not worth commenting on. When you say 'I feel' it is the same as saying 'I experience' or 'My experience is', hence you are saying that you experience yourself as an idiot or that your experience is of being an idiot in various life situations. The notion of being an idiot is not something you can experience through the senses alone - it requires participation of the mind in the form of thought. By this I mean determining the applicability or fit of a concept (in this case denoted by the word 'idiot') to something according to a match between the criteria that must be met for the concept to be applicable and the available evidence. There is plenty of scope for distorting, highlighting, and filtering of the evidence. Let's however assume that you are correct and the term idiot is applicable. The process is this: 1. You have an idea ('I am an idiot') 2. According to the evidence it is applicable. 3. The threshold from an idea to a belief is crossed via acceptance and you take it to be what is, i.e. the truth. This is to say that you have correctly (we are assuming) identified yourself as being an idiot, which is to say that you have identified yourself with being an idiot, which is effectively to say you have unified yourself with being (or the concept of being) an idiot, i.e. you and idiot have become one and the same thing, i.e. you have now become an idiot. 4. You think and behave in accordance with being an idiot. 5. You experience yourself as an idiot. 6. Assuming you really don't want to be or be seen as an idiot you now experience a sensation of unpleasentness in the body. Since it is unlikely that you go through this entire thought process in the momment it would probably be correct to say that you made an idiot of yourself earlier (like in cookery and art n' craft programmes). From this I can deduce that you harbour a belief or image of yourself as an idiot that can be whipped out or produced in the momment as required in response to a cue or trigger. Most of your post is dedicated to supporting this idea about yourself. xs