Article: 72022 of alt.sysadmin.recovery Sender: henke@kharendaen.krall.org Newsgroups: alt.sysadmin.recovery Subject: Re: Special courts martial as a red flag? References: <40c7201f$6$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> Approved: Yeah, I'm having a *swell* day. Thanks for asking. From: Douglas Henke Message-ID: Lines: 86 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:45:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.206.69.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1086821101 24.206.69.197 (Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:45:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:45:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!newspeer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!2567cf48!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.sysadmin.recovery:72022 Jeremy Worrells writes: > [ worm spreads via 'doze admin accounts; orkplace has st00pid password ] > I blame this expensive screwup on two parties: the writer of the worm, and > the jerk who decided on that password. I mean, really. Come, now. There's plenty of blame to spread it much further than that. I blame the PHB who decided to use WormOS in the orkplace. I blame everyone present for this decision who did not immediately pick up the nearest heavy object and smash it into the base of said PHB's skull, forcefully and repeatedly, until dragged away by the authorities. I blame poor meatstick who had to, probably under severe duress and violent protest, attach the first WormOS box to your network. I blame the little furry newbie with big beady eyes who made the predictably -- nay, invariably -- fatal error of setting up a network where one WormOS box can route packets to another without severely restrictive filtering (implemented on something written by grown-ups) in between. I blame whatever limp-dicked beancounter wrote a site security policy that fails to make various worm-enabling behavior a fire-on-the-spot offense. (Such behavior to include but by no means limited to: taking random bytes from web pages or email and doing what those bytes say to do; installing software that fell off a truck; hooking up random wireless access points; letting your crackmonkey warez-trading offspring and their 3733t little friends play with your work laptop; installing a POTS modem on work machine inside "secure" network and dialing up ISP to browse pr0n; about a jillion more actual examples I could draw from life at my _tiny_ orkplace.) I blame the pathetic suckweasels in HR and legal who sneeringly cut off whatever remnants of balls the site security policy might once have pretended to have. I blame everybody under the sun who, when confronted with the idea that software HAS to be this lame, that worms and viruses and pointy-clicky clipart powerpoint hammerduck hell is normal, OK and acceptable, doesn't demand of the teller: are you DELIBERATELY LYING or are you just a FUCKING IDIOT? Those are the only two options. Which is it? Both? I blame AOL. I blame Mike Holmes. I blame Joel Furr, and I'm gonna, Glub willing, shove the last lemur into a paper shredder with my own bare hands just to make the point that I have some feelings about the matter that aren't entirely mild and drawing-room fashion. I blame myself, for not being enough of an asshole to all the idiot lusers who deserve it. (There probably isn't such a thing as _enough_ of an asshole, but I could probably be more of one. So, I blame myself.) I blame Postel, for not making pessimism about human nature the first and foremost design consideration when he came up with a goodly number of the things that make it possible for you to be reading this crap today. I blame the skidmarks on BUGTRAQ who slag off the robustness principle without having actually read it for content, and I blame the miles that prevent me slapping them upside the head with ten inches of limp InterLISP manual. The writer of the worm? Feh. Come on: You (FVO including "your orkplace") made a long line of business and technical decisions which are the equivalent of standing in the prison yard pantsless, with your hands on your ankles, shouting "Come and get it, boys!". Through a megaphone. In every language of man. After having previously spiked the food with a mixture of PCP and Viagra. And now you want to complain about getting "raped"? Blaming the victim? You're damn straight I'm blaming the victim. Just because you can cite some case in the past where that was done unjustly doesn't mean it isn't well deserved here. I blame every so-called monk who's taken "all software sucks" to mean that all softare sucks equally, so you might as well just pick some at random out of a hat, or get whatever's most popular, or use whatever came "free" with the box, and pretend you're the equal of the people who actually researched technical merit and made intelligent decisions based on fact. Finally, I blame anyone who dismisses this as advocacy. If saying "Using hurts everyone. is garbage. Use whatever you want, just not ." is advocacy, then I'm an advocate. Go climb the nearest power-pole and french kiss the transformer. I've got shit to do in the blue room. Article: 72038 of alt.sysadmin.recovery Sender: henke@kharendaen.krall.org Newsgroups: alt.sysadmin.recovery Subject: Re: Special courts martial as a red flag? Approved: newgroup sci.birdbaths References: <40c7201f$6$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> From: Douglas Henke Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:15:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.206.69.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1086830105 24.206.69.197 (Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:15:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:15:05 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!newspeer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.glorb.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!2567cf48!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.sysadmin.recovery:72038 Mike Looney writes: > > [ my litany of who's to blame for worm outbreaks, including: ] > > I blame AOL. I blame Mike Holmes. I blame Joel Furr [...] > > *blink* (or should that be *frink*?) > > What did Joel Furr do? I picked him as a random example of someone with no sensible causal relationship to malware, hidden or apparent. My point is that, even knowing he's blameless, I choose to blame him anyway in a spirit of general free-floating misanthropy and simple malice. My previous post was somewhere near the triple-point where the regions of rant, tirade and tantrum are joined. What, you want it to make sense, too? Article: 72077 of alt.sysadmin.recovery From: Mike Looney Newsgroups: alt.sysadmin.recovery Subject: Re: Special courts martial as a red flag? Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Spellbook Software and Games Lines: 22 Approved: Whatever Message-ID: References: <40c7201f$6$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip68-0-115-11.tu.ok.cox.net X-Trace: allhats.xcski.com 1086865617 26757 68.0.115.11 (10 Jun 2004 11:06:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xcski.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:06:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Path: news.meer.net!sea-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen!newspeer1.stngva01.us.to.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!xcski.com!not-for-mail Xref: archive.mv.meer.net alt.sysadmin.recovery:72077 On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:15:05 GMT, Douglas Henke wrote: >> What did Joel Furr do? > > I picked him as a random example of someone with no sensible causal > relationship to malware, hidden or apparent. My point is that, even > knowing he's blameless, I choose to blame him anyway in a spirit of > general free-floating misanthropy and simple malice. Oh, Well, then, carry on. > My previous post was somewhere near the triple-point where the regions > of rant, tirade and tantrum are joined. What, you want it to make > sense, too? No, just making sure I didn't miss something. -- Silliness is the last refuge of the doomed. P. Opus GAT d-- s:- a43 UL+++$ P++$ L+++$ E- W+++$ N++ K++ w---(++)$ O- M- V-- PS+ PE++ Y PGP t++ 5 X R+++$ tv+ b++++ DI+++ D G+ e+ h--- r+++ y+++(**)$