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Big and Blue in the USA
by James Howard Kunstler

http://www.oriononline.org/pages/oo/curmudgeon/index_curmudgeon.html


Having just returned from a week in England where, among other things,
walking more than ten yards a day is quite normal, I was once again
startled by the crypto-human land whales waddling down the aisles of
my
local supermarket in search of Nabisco Snack-Wells, Wow chips, and
other
fraudulent inducements to "diet" by overindulgence in "low-fat"
carbohydrate-laden treats. And they did not look happy.


To say that Americans are shockingly obese is hardly a novel
observation,
yet it is discouraging to see so many of your fellow citizens in such
a
desperate and unhealthy condition, and I'm sure it is even more
discouraging to be in such a state. Related to this is the recent
disclosure that one-third of all Americans are taking prescribed
antidepressant medications, specifically the SSRIs of the Prozac
family
(Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors, including Zoloft, Paxil,
and
Celexa). That's one out of every three men, women, and children! The
American media routinely regard the scandalous levels of both obesity
and
emotional distress here with befuddlement and even indignation, as
though
it were inexplicable and even unfair that such a friendly, generous,
valiant, humorous, and enterprising folk as we should be so
mysteriously
afflicted with The Blues.


Have any reporters noticed how we actually live here in America? With
very few exceptions, our cities are hollowed out ruins. Our towns have
committed ritualized suicide in thrall to the WalMart God. Most
Americans
live in suburban habitats that are isolating, disaggregated, and
neurologically punishing, and from which every last human quality
unrelated to shopping convenience and personal hygiene has been
expunged.
We live in places where virtually no activity or service can be
accessed
without driving a car, and the (usually solo) journey past horrifying
vistas of on-ramps and off-ramps offers no chance of a social
encounter
along the way. Our suburban environments have by definition destroyed
the
transition between the urban habitat and the rural hinterlands. In
other
words, we can't walk out of town into the countryside anywhere. Our
"homes," as we have taken to calling mere mass-produced vinyl boxes at
the prompting of the realtors, exist in settings leached of meaningful
public space or connection to civic amenity, with all activity focused
inward to the canned entertainments piped into giant receivers --
where
the children especially sprawl in masturbatory trances, fondling
joysticks and keyboards, engorged on cheez doodles and taco chips.



Placed in such an environment even a theoretically healthy individual
would sooner or later succumb to the kind of despair and anomie that
we
have labeled "depression" in our less than honest attempt to shift the
blame for these predictable responses from our own behavioral choices
and
national philosophy to some more random "disease" process. But the
misery
is multiplied when these very behavioral choices -- inactivity,
isolation, and overeating sugary foods -- lead to disfiguring obesity
on
top of despair. And it must be obvious that I am describing a
self-reinforcing feedback loop that generates evermore personal misery
and self-destruction.

Another way of looking at our predicament is as the result of a high
entropy economy -- entropy being provoked by huge "free" energy
"inputs"
in the form of a hundred years of cheap oil, and entropy being
expressed
in forms as varied as toxic waste, ruined soils, and buildings so
remorselessly ugly that the pain of living with them corrodes our
souls.
Depression (despair and anomie) and obesity are as much expressions of
high entropy as the commercial highway strips, the Big Box stores, the
housing subdivisions, the hamburger chains, and all the other
accessories
of the wished-for drive-in Utopia.

It doesn't help, of course, that this entropic fiasco of
self-reinforcing
feedback loops, and diminishing returns have been labeled the American
Dream -- because neither patriotism nor all the Prozac in the world
will
immunize us from the consequences of our own behavior, our foolish
choices, and our self-destructive beliefs. This particular American
Dream
more and more looks suspiciously like a previous investment trap --
we've
sunk so much of our national wealth into a particular way of doing
things
that we're psychologically compelled to defend it even if it drives us
crazy and kills us.


It was interesting to note over in England how many people were out
enjoying themselves in the public realm, with other people. By public
realm I mean in the streets, the cafes, the pubs, the parks, the
riverside promenades and other places explicitly designed for humans
to
enact their hard-wired social proclivities. Everywhere I went in
Oxford,
Cambridge, and London I was amazed at the hordes of young people so
obviously enjoying the company of groups of their friends, and what a
contrast this was to the current culture back home where you hardly
ever
see anything but a couple, or perhaps two couples, out in a bar or
restaurant, and where the Starbucks cafes are filled with solitary
individuals, and the streets are for cars only, usually with lone
occupants. It was also startling in England to see groups of old
people
walking together in the streets or sitting on a blanket in the park,
because in America old people have been conditioned to go about
outside
of home only in cars. Today's older Americans have spent their entire
lives in a car-obsessed culture in which walking is seen as
uncomfortable
at least and at worst socially stigmatizing, something only winos do.

<comment: this seems to be true.  London has numerous parks all around
town conducive to nature walks and sporting activities.  And it's
common for older people to get out, socialize and participate in
recreational activities, as I noted on this page: 
http://sojourns.150m.com/england/som08.html  >

In Europe, people make 33% of their trips by foot or bicycle, compared
with 9.4% for Americans. American suburbanites weigh on average 6
pounds
more than their counterparts in walkable cities. They have higher
blood
pressure, are more susceptible to diabetes, and live two years fewer
on
average than Europeans. Pedestrians in the US are three times more
likely
to be killed in traffic than in Germany, six times more likely than in
Holland. Bicyclists here are twice as likely to be killed in traffic
than
Germans, three times as likely as Dutch. 


Statistics hardly tell the whole story, though. The emotional toll of
the
American Dream is steep. What we see all over our nation is a
situational
loneliness of the most extreme kind; and it is sometimes only
recognizable in contrast to the ways that people behave in other
countries. Any culture, after all, is an immersive environment, and I
suspect that most Americans are unaware of how socially isolated they
are
among the strip malls and the gated apartment complexes. Or, to put it
another way, of what an effort it takes to put themselves in the
company
of other people.


This pervasive situational loneliness, of being stuck alone in your
car,
alone in your work cubicle, alone in your apartment, alone at the
supermarket, alone at the video rental shop -- because that's how
American daily life has come to be organized -- is the injury to which
the insult of living in degrading, ugly, frightening, and monotonous
surroundings is added. Is it any wonder that Americans resort to the
few
things available that afford even a semblance of contentment: eating
easily obtainable and cheap junk food and popping a daily dose of
Paxil
or Prozac to stave off feelings of despair that might actually be a
predictable response to settings and circumstances of our lives? (I'd
add
pornography to the list also, a substitute for sex with other real
people
who cannot be accessed in the condition of pervasive situational
loneliness).

How depressing.


If it's any consolation, I repeat what I have said in this space in
previous rants: that we are headed into a social and economic
maelstrom
so severe, as the people on this earth contest over the remaining oil
and
gas supplies, that everything about contemporary life in America will
have to be rearranged, reorganized, reformed, and re-scaled. The
infrastructure of suburbia just won't work without utterly dependable
supplies of reliably cheap oil and natural gas. No combination of
alternative fuels or energy systems will permit us to run what we are
currently running, or even close to it. The vaunted hydrogen economy
is,
at this stage, a complete fantasy, and at the very least there is
going
to be an interlude of severe disorder and economic discontinuity
between
the unwinding of the cheap oil age and anything that might plausibly
follow it.

We will be driving a lot less than we do now and cars will generally
be a
diminished presence in our lives. The automakers and the oil companies
can lobby all they like, but history has a velocity of its own, and it
is
taking us into uncharted territory where the GM Yukons and Ford
Excursions will be useless. When the suburbs tank, they will go down
hard
and fast. The loss of hallucinated wealth is going to shock us to our
socks, and the fight over the table scraps of the 20th century is
liable
to entail a lot of political mischief here in the USA.

The physical arrangements for daily living will have to be revised and
re-ordered accordingly. We're going to have to return to traditional
human habitats: towns, villages, cities, and agricultural landscapes.
We
will have to walk out of necessity, or at least ride some places with
other people. We may be too busy to indulge in the blandishments of
television and the other entertainment narcotics we've become addicted
to, and even the Internet may be made irrelevant in a world of regular
brownouts. We may have to grow more of our food closer to home and do
some of the physical work ourselves. As far as I know, there is no
such
thing as a Cheez Doodle bush. We are going to be living a lot more
locally and thrown on our own resources.


We're going to have to do this whether we like it or not, because
circumstances will compel us to. There may be a lot of hardship and
difficulty, but in the process we are going to get some things back
that
we threw away in our foolish attempt to become a drive-in
civilization.
And most of these things we get back will have to do with living on
more
intimate terms with other people, getting more regular exercise,
eating
better food, leading more purposeful lives, and rediscovering the
public
realm that is the dwelling place of our collective spirit.
Paradoxically,
when that happens fewer of us will need Prozac or the Atkins diet.



	James Howard Kunstler harangues OrionOnline readers regularly. He is
the
author of The Geography of Nowhere and Home From Nowhere. His newest
book
is The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition.


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ohsojourner@aol.com (OhSojourner) wrote in message news:<ce660175.0309181332.1406c18a@posting.google.com>...
> Big and Blue in the USA
> by James Howard Kunstler
> 
> http://www.oriononline.org/pages/oo/curmudgeon/index_curmudgeon.html
> 
> This pervasive situational loneliness, of being stuck alone in your car,
> alone in your work cubicle, alone in your apartment, alone at the
> supermarket, alone at the video rental shop -- because that's how
> American daily life has come to be organized -- is the injury to which
> the insult of living in degrading, ugly, frightening, and monotonous
> surroundings is added. Is it any wonder that Americans resort to the few
> things available that afford even a semblance of contentment: eating
> easily obtainable and cheap junk food and popping a daily dose of Paxil
> or Prozac to stave off feelings of despair that might actually be a
> predictable response to settings and circumstances of our lives? (I'd add
> pornography to the list also, a substitute for sex with other real people
> who cannot be accessed in the condition of pervasive situational
> loneliness).

Kunstler makes a lot of good points in his rant, but he oversimplifies
about pornography. Kunstler started his rant by describing
how Europeans depend less on cars and have more opportunities to
socialize, and then he seems to imply pornography is a reaction 
by American men to their excessive dependence on cars.

I agree cars suck, but is Kunstler unaware of the popularity of porn
among European men? In parts of Europe, various aspects of the 
commercial sex trade (porn, prostitution, etc.) are much more 
apparent than in much of the United States. Europe has a huge
porn industry.

It's wrong to consider porn merely "a substitute for sex with other
real people." For the vast majority of men, porn has an inherently
unreal quality: it features women who are far more attractive
than any women those men could reliably attract in real life, even
if they lived in walkable communities. Porn does not "substitute" for
real sex a man could get with real women. Instead it provides a 
glimpse of what sex with unrealistically attractive women might be
like.

As much as cars suck, they are hardly an impediment to real sex.
One of the early moralistic objections to automobiles was that 
they would allow young men and women to travel off together
unchaperoned, and engage in all sorts of lascivious behavior
made possible through unprecedented privacy and mobility.
Those early fears have turned out to be 100% true. The sexual 
revolution in the U.S. is a direct result of (a) contraceptive 
technology and (b) automobiles.

One of the driving forces behind the onslaught of automobiles
has been the realization by young men that buying automobiles
increases their opportunities to have sex with young women. This
was true from the earliest days of automobiles. It is probably 
true in Europe today.

If Kunstler hates cars (and every thinking person should), he should
not consider porn a symptom of the problem, but a possible component
of the solution. The U.S. is overrun with automobiles in part because
every man goes through a phase during his adolescence and early
adulthood (with occasional resurgences in middle age) when he
perceives undeniable evidence that getting a car improves his
chances with women. And getting women is important to men because 
there is, as yet, no comprehensively satisfying artificial substitute 
for the enjoyable sensory experiences women can provide to men.

But pornography keeps improving. Eventually technology will create
artificial substitutes for sex and companionship that are better 
and safer than the best real sex and companionship most men can 
hope to obtain. Availability of such technology would undermine 
one major component of the automobile's popularity: men would no
longer feel they must buy automobiles to score.

-- the Danimal


